Create a Group Founder Category For All Groups
This has been brought up, discussed, and requested repeatedly over the last decade, yet Flickr has done absolutely nothing to fix the situation and address the issues with rogue administrators that at some point just take over a group and will not cooperate with any of the other admins who are trying to keep the group on track with its intended purpose!
As a group founder you may or may not have experienced this issue as of yet, but if you have granted admin privileges or intend to grant admin privileges to any member of your group, be forewarned that once you do, there currently is no turning back if something goes wrong with that choice!
The scenario is this, you start a group and are the only admin, it's small, you don't really need help administering it so you are in full control. Time goes on and the group grows so big, or gets so active, or you just don't have as much time as you need to administer it yourself efficiently, so you dig into the current member pool asking for help.
A nice member agrees to help manage the group, so you upgrade their status and make them a moderator, which for a time everything is great. The moderator has less privileges than you as an admin, so if they didn't work out, you can easily demote them back into a regular member, or boot them from the group if they had become unruly or disrespectful to you or other group members.
Over time the moderator seems to do well moderating your group, so you feel that they might even be more useful if they are given more responsibility and privileges, so you ask them to be an admin, and they agree . . . so you promote them.
That's where everything can wrong in the blink of an eye, or should I say, with just one small disagreement this new admin might have with the group (its rules/requirements, etc.), another admin or moderator, or even simple members!
They can start deleting and changing just about everything they want within the group (except for demoting or deleting other admins) whenever they want, without any recourse available for other admins or the group founder to stop them if what they are doing is not beneficial or is actually harmful for the group to keep running smoothly.
As an admin, this member now cannot be demoted by anyone, not another admin or even the group founder (assuming the founder is still in the group and remained as an admin too), with the only exception being that they would actually demote themselves . . . which of course won't usually happen if an admin is acting maliciously anyway, so the group is now stuck with this person having all this control over the group.
There has to be at least one way to stop this from happening, and Flickr (or now Yahoo), has one that can easily be initiated, just create a Founder's category within every group that contains the single person who originally created the group, which will always have privileges above and beyond those of all other group members, allowing this one person to at least be able to remove rogue admins from the group if the unfortunate situation arises!
I implore all group founders (and anyone else who agrees) to add maximum votes for this request and post their experiences or thoughts about it here and now, as group founders definitely need a way to always remain in complete control of their own group if they wish to do so, even if they need others to help administer the group!
Can't agree more Anne J., it's ridiculous that Yahoo doesn't care about these supposed user voice suggestions, even when the same features are repeatedly asked for and supported by many others as well!
And the people that post drivel, spam ads, or start talking about completely different suggestions than what this topic was created to address are a problem and detriment as well. It's pathetic, you can mark posts inappropriate, and they never get removed!!!
This feature has been asked for every year for over a decade, yet Flickr, and now Yahoo, could care less ! Gathering feedback ... my a**!
Rodrigo Filgueira commented
I would like to have a tagging system for groups ... group title often says too little about the group idea and how it relates to my photos.
Some more metadata I would like to see regarding groups is what the dynamics of the group is (P1AX, P1FX, curated, moderated, enforced?), photos per day/week/month. All this information is relevant for me to actively and meaningfully participate in Flickr.
So then again, the request is about more metadata about the groups I belong to and about.
That is my proposal.
Marc Mansbridge commented
Yes, I do totally agree. As an admin of many group's I have seen one of them go down because of the other admin taking over. The group is now running now and has not been for a year but having the option for founder admin's to have control over promoted admin's SHOULD be a must. It's about time flickr done something about this.
I know lot's of other member's that has had the same trouble.
Anne J. commented
I will add maximum votes for this ! My 5 groups are run by myself... past experience taught me its better this way.
All the reasons above that people give for an admin to go rogue, are true !!!
Hundreds/ thousands are saying the same... but will anyone take notice ? It falls on deaf ears.
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Anyone you promote, you should also have the power to demote.
It's just that simple.
This suggestion works with Yahoo Groups. There is a group owner. The group owner can appoint moderators and choose the powers for each moderator for a drop down checkoff list. The group owner can remove the others. The owner is the owner and can do what they wish with the group even delete the group.
Flickr Group Creators should have Absolute Power to demote anyone they promote and even to delete the group if they wish.
I really don't like promoting anyone to administrator anymore because they can't be demoted if they don't do the job and help out, or if they quit posting in the group, or if they try to take over from the person who created the group and make changes without asking the creator if that's okay. Yes Give The Group Creator Absolute Power and Ownership of the group.
I totally agree. I have done a lot of work creating groups. The creator of the group should be able to remove any administrator that they regret promoting. One person I promoted because he volunteered and wanted to be able to delete photos that didn't fit the theme. The moderators weren't doing it. I asked him when I promoted him to please not make changes. However, he changed the cover. I really didn't like his choice and changed to something that worked better. And made the group look more professional and attractive. He was mad that I changed it when he had overstepped and changed it to begin with. He is no longer bothering with the group at all. Which is fine by me, but I would like to demote him. HELP!
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Nebraska Oddfish commented
Currently on the receiving end of administration gone wrong in a group I founded, with no recourse to do anything about it but to implore those who have posted images and found them to be deleted to post and post again. Also a history of admin decisions (who removed what and when) would be useful when trying to sleuth who the trouble maker is.
I think not only are there groups that are abandoned but also this Feedback Portal lacks admins who take care of suggestion and moderate discussions. It seems like Yahoo doesn't care what's happening to Flickr.
This is well past time for some action. I am an Administrator in 8 Groups. I founded three of them. I am stuck in all of my Groups with Admins who have quit posting or died. I get no response to repeated requests that they resign. People wonder if I'm sane when I go looking for help, when I am showing 7 Admins, but only 2 are active.
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I fully support!
I'm admin of a major group (Flickr's 100 Best) and I live with the fear that one day one of a newly hired admin makes troubles and I can't help it.
Tranter Dewy commented
Voted x3. Part of the wider issue of a no-longer-functioning set of Group protocols on Flickr.
Ernst Kers, this is a very simplistic Flickr Ideas request I'm making to add a founder role and give the individual one important extra admin privilege that only they will have, the ability to demote admins in their group.
I'm not requesting Flickr to create the perfect role hierarchy with all the right permissions and options so it will handle every known "what if" scenario which has come up or could possibly come up in the future, that is entirely out of scope for what this targeted request is all about.
I have no issue with anyone stating they don't like my idea and wouldn't support it here in the request thread, but I'm not going to continue to clutter this Flickr Idea request with discussing multiple what if scenarios and what you or anyone else think are better ideas, or should be done instead.
If anyone believes they have a better idea, then they should go start their own Flickr Ideas request and allow people to vote on it, not bring them up and continue to discuss them here in my particular request.
You've said your piece, you obviously don't like the idea, I along with Flickr staff who is monitoring requests can see that already.
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Ernst Kers commented
Adding an extra level of power will result in a proposal that that power can be shared with others. If that's done, we are back in the same situation with an extra admin/mod level. It solves nothing. Only after sometime somebody will propose to add a fourth level to give somebody full power.
How can the group creator give the full power over the group to somebody else of his own choice?
If long time admins can go roque, group creators can go rogue too. What's the solution if the group creator goes rogue?
What features should be available to admins, but not to mods, while at the same time those admins are not allowed to have full power?
Basically this is the choice between:
1) The group creator has full control included the control to give this full control to others. This is the current situation.
2) The group creator has full control excluded the control to give this full control to others. Asking for this option is asking Flickr to be a good nanny and protect people against their own mistakes.
That an admin goes rogue happens, but not very often. If it happens with a larger group, then there are multiple people posting in the Help Forum because they didn't understand what happened. But it's something that on average doesn't happen more then two or three times a year, likely less.
Actually this discussion was also in the Flickr Ideas group. When Flickr wanted to transfer the roll to UserVoice, some admins/mods of the Flickr Ideas group monitored for a number of months what was posted here and cross-linked it with similar discussions in the old Flickr Ideas group. This idea was in the old Flickr Ideas group, but until now it wasn't proposed here. That gives an indication about the real size of the problem.
I've given votes.
Ernst Kers commented · August 29, 2016 11:33 ·
Instead of creating a new admin/mod level, it's better to give more rights to the mods. That makes it less attractive to promote others to admin instead of mod. At the same time the founder still has the freedom to give others the same rights as he has. That latter is important too, e.g. in case the original admin wants to step down but don't want his role is automatically transferred to the next oldest member.
I would disagree that only giving mods more power without adding a new founder role is better than simply giving one person, the group creator, power over everyone.
Sure, there are some other group options that might be fine for mods to control which might lessen the need to make an individual an admin of the group, but certainly not all the options. Some options definitely should only be available to admins, and sometimes a group just needs more than one admin, so again, your solution would still allow a rogue admin destroy a group because no one can stop them.
Also, by only doing what you suggest does absolutely nothing to help the thousands upon thousands of existing established groups that already have multiple admins. An admin can go rogue at any time, even admins that have been in the group for a very long time and had always acted respectfully in the past, but then a disagreement sets them off and they can terrorize the group with impunity.