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Request to Flickr: set the default for "Downloading" and "Share" to DISabled

At this moment "downloading" on the All Sizes page is by default set to *enabled* (from our Settings: *anyone*)
This is also the case for the Share feature in our Settings.

In my opinion this gives the wrong message; the interpretation that "free to download" equals "Free to use" is an easy step.
Same with Sharing: why would you be allowed to slap an image just anywhere you like, without taking into consideration that the photographer may not endorse that particular blog or site ?

Flickr could be an innovator, curbing this if-it's-on-the-net-it-is-free-to-take mentality by turning the default around: no, you cannot just take it, unless the photographer makes the *conscious decision* to allow others to download/share their stuff with all the consequences that may bring.

Setting the default to allow downloading Flickr is basically saying "what is yours is others' too" and with a view to All Rights Reserved images that is a misconception.

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  • Mike Thornhill commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    At minimum, why not remove the download option on photos marked "copyright/all rights reserved"? Yes, people still can right-click and download, or use some of the browser add-ins that circumvent copyright protection, but it would deter some theft and prove that Flickr understands the difference between copyrighted images and those shared under CC.

  • GeordieMac_Pics commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I think I have "All Rights Reserved" on most Photos which I hope still prevents easy downloading. Worst case for me was an Economics Teacher working at Eton (school in the UK) ... pinching a photo .... Modifying it and then using it in an article... He obviously Thought "All" Rights Reserved was "No" rights reserved. All photos downloaded from flickr Should not be modified (derivativeds) without express permission .... Crazy thing is if he had taken the time and been polite and asked I would probably have allowed the use provided he acknowledged my photo.

  • Rene Adamos commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    not sure if this is the right place for it but i cant seem to find a way to email flickr support so i though id ask here. Right now my privacy setting when it comes to downloading is set to "Only You" setting. I signed out of my account and went back to flickr, searched my photos by my name... and the download feature is enabled... along witht the original size... is this a bug? who do i contact to get this fixed.

  • Marc Mansbridge commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I do agree that it should be set to disabled as default with the option to change if the photographer want's. I mean I don't want my images downloaded for other's to use as their own photo's anywhere else.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    The primary function of having default and choices is to allow the streamholder to be comfortable on the site.Given recent revalations that Flickr TOS has been violated and our streams violated by multiple sites these options would be a positive.

  • Mabel Amber commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

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  • Mabel Amber commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    "Sharing" does not automatically mean "giving away". A bit strange that I need to make that clear.

    Flickr namely holds

    1. content which can be "shared" in the sense of "Free to download" = CC license attached = downloading enabled by default.

    2. content which can NOT be shared in the sense of "Free to downlaod" = All Rights Reserved license attached >>>>downloading needs explicit permission.

    It is all a matter of respecting the license. Not everyone wants to give their images away, get over it.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Images on Google up to 1024 X 1024 are made fully right click downloadable without going back to the original source and if the image is mined from another persons gallery the site of origin and copyright holder will never be seen.ARR NO THIRD PARTY unless the stream owner choses a particular no downloading should mean just that.Better and actual options are almost a necessity. .

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Making "sharing" off by default makes sense to me, as should "download" be off by default.
    However, the sharing seems much less threatening, as I believe it would not be possible to capture and save a full quality image from sharing.
    However, from the perspective that a user should have to make the conscious decision to enable either feature, it makes good sense and is the ethical way for the software/UI to function.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    It not only would provide stream protection but allow the stream owner to know where his work is being seen.It would allow you to choose a site that is reputable. If a site fails Flickr standards or stream owner standards then you withdraw from the site..Very similar to the groups situation.

  • Saffron Blaze commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I certainly support the notion of informed consent. In its implementation it should made clear that when enabling downloading that additional permission to download for personal use is not required. All uses beyond simple personal may require explicit permission of the copyright holder.

  • Mabel Amber commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    In fact you could go much further:

    Simply abolish the possibility of downloading altogether - only after asking the photographer, the latter, if they want to meet with the request, can go into their switch room and set the required size to "downloadable"

    An exception should be made for images carrying a CC-license.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I believe that this measure would allow Flickr users to share photos in the way that most users intend, as in let others see them, and would provide some protection. It would also benefit new users who might not have had the knowledge to make an informed decision of which downloading or sharing options might be most appropriate.

    Where others wish to use photos through the Flickr platform the owner of the photo should be asked if they agree to this or not.

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