Now the photos are not uploading
Can you please fix this. It says they loaded but they don't load into the groups.
Today was a strange backtrack
A 20 got nothing to show on the web, but direct email can download as a zip file.
A 16 then showed on the web, and direct could go to the attachments section or automatic photo album section to see them.
Repeating the 20 as two 10s reverted to the failure of the 20, and direct email have the zip file option.
I'm too busy today to try and retrieve all of my text from my group, and have no need to retrieve the photos (I posted 99% of them, and have kept the originals). My plan then is to leave the group dormant, and go for direct email to recipients, cutting out the middleman and the ads. In the unlikely event of a mailbox overload, I'll repost after a countdown or on request.
Niall Donoghue commented
Thanks, Anonymous, for confirming what I suspected, that I'll need to to recover all my photos one at a time. At least I'm retired...
"As a group owner, I got my copy of the weasel words today. Right when yahoo is working better than it has for 2 years. Not only are all photos getting through to everywhere, there are no longer delays lasting for hours/days. Suddenly it is a product worth retaining. That hints that all recent disasters have been deliberate management sabotage.
Yep,no doubt about that. For the last 2 years, it has NOT been working more than it has been working. Suddenly, they get ready to jettison having to pay for server storage of all this stuff, and magically it all works. LOL! It is NOT an "evolution of the product"...that would have 0.0 to do with the product now working would it?
"2. New groups can still be formed - Users can continue to connect with others around their common bonds and interests". [Who would want to? All of those people went to facebook. I can use my regular email to communicate with friends].
Agree again although I will say that Facebook seems to be on a big time slide also...the way they are getting paid for allowing known LIBEL to be posted...the way they have sold everybody's info to advertisers, etc and be very underhanded about it, etc. I wouldn't be buying Facebook stock either. You can only run a sleazebag platform for so long.
"The problem is that, by the time yahell realised the disaster and backtracks, it will be too late: everyone will have lost their archive, or will have paid -io a premium subscription to retain it. They won't be coming back."
"One has left yahell already, and gone to google, with no need to transfer years of yahell (which google won't do)."
Yeah, the problem I see with Google though is unless I'm missing something Yahoo IS becoming Google groups. They allow communication like a forum, messages with attachments, etc but NO WAY to store things permanently. In other words, Google doesn't seem to have the equivalent of the Yahoo Groups Photos section or Files section which is why I started my Yahoo groups to begin with.
As a group owner, I got my copy of the weasel words today. Right when yahoo is working better than it has for 2 years. Not only are all photos getting through to everywhere, there are no longer delays lasting for hours/days. Suddenly it is a product worth retaining. That hints that all recent disasters have been deliberate management sabotage.
1. Yahoo Groups is not going away - We know that our users are deeply passionate about connecting around shared interests, and we are evolving Groups to better align with how you use it today. [total spin; with anything useful removed, everyone with a deep passion is deserting]
2. New groups can still be formed - Users can continue to connect with others around their common bonds and interests. From animal rescues to sporting and activity groups, civic organizations to local PTAs, members of our Yahoo Groups will remain connected and able to share their activities and interests. All of the content that you have shared previously on the website, can continue to be shared via email. [Who would want to? All of those people went to facebook. I can use my regular email to communicate with friends].
The problem is that, by the time yahell realised the disaster and backtracks, it will be too late: everyone will have lost their archive, or will have paid -io a premium subscription to retain it. They won't be coming back.
I have looked at the logistics of transferring my group to -io: I can afford to write off the money, but only for one year. If io goes to payment for everything, I just abandon. I have only 1000 posts to preserve as text, and all of the photos are on my hard drive already before posting.
It seems that I will use the archive facility for the text, then will let the account wane to zero, and will put the money into salvaging a larger group with a larger archive.
The problem with an archived textfile is making it usable and accessible.
Two of my major groups maintain a privately-run archive. One has left yahell already, and gone to google, with no need to transfer years of yahell (which google won't do). Several others pay club money for their own forum, with php software. Unfortunately, anything internet is not forever; paper publishing is. In 50 years time, hobbyists will know more about the hobby 100 years earlier (ie 50 years earlier than today) than they will about today.
Niall, if you got 139 you should feel honored. Myself and another user got those same zipped files and no content of note was included. Yeah, fortunately the vast majority of my photos I had saved other places but I did indeed download in single shot mode about 3000 photos....you're right, it is a big job! LOL! Also, I looked for 3rd party software that would transfer data from Yahoo groups. Apparently there WAS before they went to "neo", but after that change, there was no one that claimed they could do the mass download after that Yahoo modifcation.
Niall Donoghue commented
Re closing down facilities of Yahoo Groups, I clicked on the appropriate link to request Yahoo to download all my family group data. A couple of days later, Yahoo got back with the download link. The zipped Photos, etc. file worked fine. All very efficient, but only 139 photos were included, hundreds of others weren't. Total data sent a bit under 0.5GB - Is there a limit to what Yahoo sends on? It otherwise looks like a big job selecting one file at a time to download them all manually after all.
"New content can no longer be uploaded after October 28, 2019" Interesting, since I just uploaded a large file to one of my groups.
Yahell spewed the propaganda "All Groups will be made private and any content that was previously uploaded via the website will be removed. We believe privacy is critical and made this decision to better align with our overall principles."
AND the real reason is that Yahoo didn't want to expend money on 3rd party servers for storage space. That is the REAL reason!
I created a Google group. It appears just like Yahoo there will be no way to store photos and files permanently in the group but it is basically for emails and temporarily available attachments. Is that correct?
A friend who owns a group got a direct email from yahell management. Total spin. I haven't received a similar missive, although I am a group owner. With its usual arrogance, yahell has posted from a no-reply address.
Dear Group Moderators and Members,
Thank you for your commitment to Yahoo and for helping us define the power of digital communities. Eighteen years ago, we combined the functionality of a site called eGroups.com with a precursor community platform called Yahoo Clubs to launch Yahoo Groups. Since then, you and millions of others have helped prove our hypothesis, by creating and joining more than 10 Million groups.
A lot has changed about the Internet since 2001, including the ways most people now use Yahoo Groups. Today, most Yahoo Groups activity happens in your email inbox, not on the bulletin boards where Yahoo Groups started in the pre-smartphone age. Increasingly, people want content and connections coming directly to them, and this is why we continue to invest in Yahoo Mail -- including the recent launch of a new Yahoo Mail app that is currently the highest-rated email app in the App Store and Google Play.
So, as our users’ habits have evolved, we have begun the process of evolving our approach to help active Yahoo Groups thrive and migrate to our email platform. To help you plan for these changes, below is the schedule of how this transition will happen.
Beginning October 28, 2019:
Users will be able to join a Yahoo Group only through an invite from the Group Moderator or by submitting a request to join a Group, which requires approval by the Group Moderator.
Since we are moving Group communication from posting on message boards to email distribution, uploading and hosting of new content will also be disabled on the Yahoo Groups website.
Beginning December 14, 2019:
All Groups will be made private and any content that was previously uploaded via the website will be removed. We believe privacy is critical and made this decision to better align with our overall principles.
If you would like to keep any of the content you’ve posted or stored in the past within your Yahoo Group, please download it by December 14 by accessing this link.
As these dates get closer, we will send follow-up reminders. More information about the upcoming changes can be found here.
While this evolution of Yahoo Groups is inspired by how we see the platform being used today, we know change can be difficult. Here are a few important facts as we make this transition:
1. Yahoo Groups is not going away - We know that our users are deeply passionate about connecting around shared interests, and we are evolving Groups to better align with how you use it today.
2. New groups can still be formed - Users can continue to connect with others around their common bonds and interests. From animal rescues to sporting and activity groups, civic organizations to local PTAs, members of our Yahoo Groups will remain connected and able to share their activities and interests. All of the content that you have shared previously on the website, can continue to be shared via email.
We know that Yahoo Groups is an important online extension of your real-life group of friends, interests and communities, and we are committed to supporting communities that rely on Yahoo Groups. Thanks for coming along with us this far. We look forward to seeing where the technology -- and you -- take us in the decades to come.
The Groups Team
still everything is working well :-) photos can still be uploaded.
If groups work the last years like now - more people would use it.
groups.io is no alternative for me.....creepy like tumblr.....
Suddenly the photos are working better than for months, just before wiping the facility fully.
That hints that the last many months of agony were quite unnecessary: a management ploy, and not technical trouble at all.
One reason for rushing is to have everything assembled for a transfer to groups-io.
Anonymous wrote ". I rushed to get items up on 28.10, the advertised last date for accepting input. 10 hours later, yahell still hasn't posted them anywhere (web or direct)." To be honest, it matters little unless you expect some people to save those items. Because as they state as of Dec 14, the groups content is going to be rubbed out. If that indeed happens, I will be deleting my groups. But I'm waiting to make sure they actually go through with all of this...no use in rushing to remove the groups until there is nothing left.
Commenting to Deborah: Quite a few comments have been made about Yahoo's slide once they went to "neo"...maybe that was the 2011 time frame you mentioned. I WILL say that over the years Yahoo groups storage for photos dramatically increased to 1 gig and also the photos album reorder feature worked reasonably well after for years hardly ever working. However, the last couple of years have been pretty much a disaster. I would say a majority of the last 2 years, it wasn't working properly more than it when it did...I'm talking Photos section. To be honest, I load stuff in Files section and I honestly can't remember that ever not working.
Out with a whimper. I rushed to get items up on 28.10, the advertised last date for accepting input. 10 hours later, yahell still hasn't posted them anywhere (web or direct). The obvious winner is groups-io. Several of the groups to which I subscribe had gone already; more went today. Mine goes soon. Just what yahell management wanted, but we have no choice if we want to preserve our accumulated knowledge for the future. After years in paper publishing, I can paraphrase the de Beers ad: 'Diamonds are forever'. So, for knowledge 'Paper is forever'. I have been through 5.5 in and 3.25 disks which are now useless; cd & dvd which fail; external hard drives not yet failing; large memory sticks which have replaced them. I won't use cloud storage: too many remote sites have gone down. Yahell was preceded by photobucket and another photo site. Google somehow took over usenet (which was open platform) and claimed it as its own.
In 50 years time, my hobby groups will know more about the hobby 100 years before then (before internet) than 50 years before then (ie now).
What do yahell managers think that they will be doing after destroying this product? Is there anything left to justify their employment?
Deborah Terreson commented
Commenting to Tom.. For sure the storage isn't free, but the costs of floating e-mail messages with attachments through the Groups' mailservers is going to be more than Yahoo realizes., The main reason I would just upload one of my digital paintings and then notify the group WAS the mailserver costs of me sending 4 and 5 MB photos to the 2,000+ members on my list.
My more salient thought is that they strip everything out and re-introduce storage and the rest to the groups as services that are paid for.. which I don't necessarily object to. The whole framework, however has been a bodge since 2004 when they left the old e-groups template and since 2011, it's been in freefall.
George Ellison commented
WORKING 100% BETTER, THANK YOU YAHOO STAFF.
Today, yahell has reverted to an older scare tactic: this morning's posts are delayed by 3 h already, so I have no idea whether photos worked today or if they didn't.
Yes, io has a photos section, with a searchbox (which I have yet to use with success).
I get to photos by using a search term, and bringing up the relevant message and the attached photo. That is the facebook method, and relies on the original poster providing useful key terms. When they don't , content isn't lost; it just can't be found. Facebook also has a quota: new posts (and photos) will bump the oldest ones out. io searches on keywords in the header and in the body.
io premium is AUD 20 per month, of 220 per year. The main difference: premium allows 10 GB storage; free is 1 GB. For my small site, I am not happy with paying just to share my material with others, but that is the only way to salvage the archive. For my size of posting, free is about 4000 photos. I'll do some more homework.
Like all 'free groups', the cost is covered by advertising. In today's world, photos are essential. Can you imagine a newspaper without them? Revert from tv to radio?
If the photos are scrapped, then the text becomes useless. The last remnants of a user base will defect. Facebook is even more monstrous and arrogant and vicious, but does offer the services which people want.
It is becoming pretty obvious what the real problem with Yahoo groups was/is. I always said it was one of 2 things 1) incompetent programmers 2) issue with Yahoo accessing their storage area which is located at xa.ying.com Pretty clear to me that magically the problems got fixed when Yahoo announced long term, they were basically closing down the photos functionality part of the group. That leads me to the obvious conclusion that Yahoo doesn't want to pay for storage area on external servers which affects photos section for example but doesn't affect email functionality for example which they are keeping. It also wouldn't affect email usage WITH attachments. Bottom line is that is just another example of the old adage "you get what you pay for". Yahoo groups are free...Yahoo having to provide server storage of photos is NOT free. Explains it all!
does Group.io offer Photo Albums?
The previous post was too long. I haven't tried to do this yet.
Steps To Transfer Your Group
These steps must be done in this order otherwise the group transfer process will not happen.
1.Create your new Groups.io group and upgrade it to premium for a year.
2.Set up and start the transfer process by clicking the Set Up New Transfer button, below. You'll be asked to select your Groups.io group and for the name of your Yahoo Group.
3.Send an invite from your Yahoo Group to
4.We will accept the invite and then send you an email directing you to make the
member a moderator.
5.After you have made the
member a moderator, return here, select your Existing Transfer transfer, and tell us that you are ready for the transfer to happen. Your group must be signed up for the Premium Yearly plan.
6.Once we receive the go ahead, as soon as we are able, we will download the member list and other parts of your Yahoo Group and directly add your members to your new Groups.io group.
•We do not make any changes to your Yahoo Group. We simply make a copy of everything.
•We will add all members that are currently confirmed and not bouncing to your group. Members' subscription preferences (email, no email, digest, etc.) will be preserved. Members' posting privileges (group default, override - moderated, etc.) will also be preserved. However, moderator and co-owner status will not be preserved, so all moderators will need to be reinstated after the transfer. If someone is already a member of your new group, we will not change anything about their subscription.
•Unless you specify otherwise, we will send a notice to every member telling them about the transfer.
•If you have created a customized welcome message for your group, we will also send that to each member who is not already a member of the new group.
•We will send an email to the moderators and owners of the Groups.io group when the transfer is complete.
•NOTE: If the new group is a subgroup at Groups.io, you will receive two transfer notices, one for transfering the members to the parent group, and one for transfering the members to the subgroup (all members of a subgroup must be members of the parent group).